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Huxley on Patriotism by Skargill Huxley on Patriotism by Skargill
Huxley's views on Patriotism, since that word is heavily associated with the USA I decided to use images from several nations to illustrate the point. I also decided to avoid using really brutal images because even I couldn't look at them for long. The images are American soldiers forcibly detaining Iraqi's, Bosnian Serbs about to murder some prisoners, the victims of Northern Irelands Bloody Sunday where British Para's opened fire on an unarmed civil rights march. And the defeat of Warsaw Ghetto uprising.
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MornofVivec Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014
I think you are confusing patriotism with nationalism.
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Skargill Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
You're confused if you think there's a difference.
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MornofVivec Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
Patriotism is loving a country for what is, but acknowledging its flaws. Nationalism is worshipping a country and ignoring its flaws.
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Skargill Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
No it isn't that's just an arbitrary boundary you made up. If "Nationalists" had no concept of flaws they would be completely harmless. Every Nationalist is a patriot the only difference is that one word has better PR.
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MornofVivec Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
I didn't make it up, sir, I read it somewhere. You and I simply have different definitions of nationalism and patriotism. 
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Skargill Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Ok my last reply came across as needlessly acidic allow me to try again. Your argument doesn't work because its a variation on the "No True Scotsman" more commonly known as the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Here we have a group of people (nationalists) that openly love there nation (whatever that is). However you're saying they don't count because of an extra requirement that you are arbitrarily applying. Opinions aside it just doesn't work.
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MornofVivec Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2014
Okay, now I understand the point you're making. I would, however, consider the following clip an example of patriotism: www.youtube.com/watch?v=q49NOy…
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Skargill Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
"I didn't make it up, sir, I read it somewhere." And? Just because somethings written down doesn't magically make it true. It's still a ridiculous and arbitrary boundary, clearly made up by those uncomfortable with the negatives of a label they like.

"You and I simply have different definitions of nationalism and patriotism. "

Yeah no we don't, your definition is not only in general use it doesn't actually make any sense even if we accepted it. How can a Nationalist be unaware of flaws when the whole point of a Nationalist movement is the correction of what they consider to be flaws?
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guaglione Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013
I wish America would change already.

It is two sides of this.

One lost in their patriotic lust, with no passion.

The other with a lack luster passion, still blaming the other side.

I am so sick of this, can it end?

And can we all be something more.


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Kamackazi Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
yep, no argument here.
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